*This post was originally written 6/24/10 in a journal entry of mine, edits have been made for posting purposes.
Today I was distracted…
Not in the typical sense either. Usually, when I get to doing something productive, it lasts for an hour and then some shiny, glittery thing catches my eye and I’m gone. Well that had been the case most of the day, but then I buckled down for a while–my standard hour–before I was distracted again. Through a long string of mouse clicks that started on Facebook (as they usually do) I somehow landed at clips of Ravi Zacharias on Youtube. Then it was over to a Dateline debate between atheists and creationists, back to Ravi, and finally to some video clips of a British talkshow with an appearance by Richard Dawkins. Three hours later, I’m not anymore informed and overly ready to butcher some unfortunate person with scathing, impetuous words derived from deep passions and even deeper levels of ingorance. And I’m not sure what bothers me more–the inconsistency inherent in all the arguments I listened to, explaining why God can’t exist or why religion is silly but “evolutionarily” understandible, or the failure of Christian apoligists to give any kind of decent answer to those that are asking the first kind of questions listed (To be fair, Ravi did do a good job answering these questions most of the time).
Another thing that really bothers me is the poor rhetorical execution of most of the answer and responses Christians give to atheists and evolutionists alike. It’s so very much “anti-.” Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that I think we should be open to ideas that eliminate God or His fingerprints from the Earth, but I am saying that we should be open to people- their right to think, their right to form opinions, and their right to reason–and quit alienating the “opposition.”
It makes me think of a dinner I once had with a friend/mentor of mine named Todd. Todd has an incredible gift for asking pointed questions that always deepen conversation and reveal motivations and biases behind what a person is thinking and saying. At this dinner, after spouting off at the mouth for roughly twenty minutes about things I thought were wrong with the American church, Todd gently advised me that rhetorically, it’s not good practice to set yourself in opposition to someone when trying to convince them of the validity of your views.
This makes me think back to my perusing through Youtube videos today, to one video I haven’t yet mentioned. The clip was of some young, savvy, impassioned guy on a street corner. In the video clip, he’s giving another guy a “good person” test using a method I recognized from my time spent in a large college ministry. The examination started civil enough, but as soon as the young evangelist identified a crack in his test subject’s thinking (he professed to be an atheist), the evangelist immediately jumped all over him in front of the crowd who had gathered to listen in. Sure his words weren’t as cut and dry as “You’re wrong and I don’t agree with you,” but the manner in which he addressed his subject was completely combative. So the patient atheist just sat there, attempting to answer, one by one, each question the fiery evangelist grilled him with, but each time he began to answer he was interrupted. Over and over the evangelist fired a question at the man, then as soon as he heard what he was looking for, he’d interrupt and begins to pose another question. This happens over and over and all the while all I can see is the social cleavage this evangelist is creating between his subject and any future encounters he might have with other Christians. It’s moments and stories like these that make me wonder if Christians aren’t responsible for the majority of atheists and deists out there. Responsible, because we push away anyone who doesn’t already “get it.” But what if you have questions (as many “agnostic” folks do)? Or what if you’ve arrived at the answer that makes the most sense to you, and it’s not Christianity? I imagine that if either of those scenarios is the case then some impassioned person standing on the curb is either clearly a person to avoid in your search for answers, or an arrogant nuisance which only proves that Christianity is an inconsistent belief system–one that talks about love, acceptance, and fogiveness and promotes opposition and judgmentalism.
This whole discussion draws my mind to an account of Jesus’s life recorded by John, specifically a scene with a Samaritan woman and a well (John 4). See, I know exactly how these combative types would respond to me, using this encounter in the Bible as evidence: “Jesus didn’t sugar-coat things, he told it how it was!” But then I think, “Yeah, but he was God, he had a right to.” Which then also makes me think of the prostitute who nobody threw stones at because they had all sinned. Jesus could have judged her and thrown rocks, but he decided not to. In fact, the way I read it, Jesus lived and taught in a way that said most of mankind was on the same team. And that’s exactly what bothers me about our young evangelist friend. In fact, it’s what bothers me about Christian apologetics in general. The whole thing seems to be used to show atheists (et al) how they’ve gotten it all wrong. And of course, most of us would immediately wonder, “whose going to positively respond to that?!?”
Moreover, if we’re all on the same team, then how is setting ourselves against part of the group going to affect us all? I’d imagine it will cause some exceptionally large divides and keep us from making much headway. It will absolutely undermine progress; it will make new teams. Of course there were other subdivisions on the team when Jesus was around too–a couple of groups that refused to play with the other kids (Pharisees, Sadducees)– and He didn’t really like them much. But see, the same thing is going on now. We want those who aren’t on the team to accept our rules before we’ll interact with them. But what’s more, we don’t take time to understand WHY or how they got to their rule set and conclusions to begin with. How on Earth does that make for good debate?
The thing is, in this whole Atheists vs. Christians, Evolutionists vs. Creationists, “no-gloves” brawl, we’ve forgotten that there are people over on their side, and those people usually have reasons why they feel a certain way. And those reasons usually have experiences tied to them. And it seems like nobody asks about those.
2 thoughts on “How to be Right and Still Lose the Argument”
“I imagine that if either of those scenarios is the case then some impassioned person standing on the curb is either clearly a person to avoid in your search for answers, or an arrogant nuisance which only proves that Christianity is an inconsistent belief system–one that talks about love, acceptance, and fogiveness and promotes opposition and judgmentalism.” Great synopsis of what it must feel like. I find it interesting that the inquisitive “unbelieving” types (i.e. rich young ruler, Nicodemus, Zaccheus, Roman centurian) were drawn to Christ, instead of put off by him, and the ones who had it all together (Pharisees, Saducees) were the ones driven away.
Yeah Jon, it’s almost as though people who are aware they don’t know are better postured to be accepting of new and true ideas. I just think of the predominant “Baptist” culture of the Southeast, and it makes me sad because of all the shallow theology they keep but don’t ever come back and question. We ALL need to examine our core beliefs every now and then–if only to fortify them after throwing a couple stones to see how they hold up.